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Lance W Alignment Specs - Recommended!
Old 07-19-2009, 10:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Lance W Alignment Specs - Recommended!

This alignment is the result of experimentation with the factory numbers to improve road feel and to reduce inside edge wear on the rear tires that is common with the factory settings. These settings will add grip at the front and dramatically improve the feedback to the driver in the steering wheel. They will also reduce or eliminate inside edge wear on the rear tires, and I have gone as far as 24,000 miles on a set of Bridgestone S-02s with these settings. The car will still under steer slightly, but the aggressive driver will find much more predictable handling and significantly better feedback from the car. Obviously, these settings are still compromised for street use. Autocross, road race, and drag race competitors can use these as a baseline, but will probably require somewhat different settings to be competitive.

1. What is a Good Street/Lance W. Alignment?
Front:
Rear:
(on 255/40R17 tires this rear toe equates to .090 deg, i.e. .045 deg per side)
(on 275/40R17 tires this rear toe equates to .088 deg, i.e. .044 deg per side)

The Front and Rear Toe are critical to tire wear, even small deviations from spec may cause unusual wear patterns or excessive wear.

2. What is the Stock Toyota Alignment?
Front:
  • Camber - 0.5 degrees +/- 0.75
  • Caster +3.5 +/- 0.75 degrees
  • Toe 0.00 +/- 0.080" (2 mm)
Rear:
  • Camber -1.50 +/- 0.75
  • Toe in (total) 0.120" (3mm) +/- 0.080" (2mm)
To Calculate Degrees of Toe When Given mm of Toe:
*Note that this is dependent upon the wheel diameter and tire diameter

Formula: Calculate the Wheel + Tire Diameter (in mm) for the stock rear wheel + Tire
Example: (2 * tire width * aspect ratio / 100) + (wheel diameter) = wheel + tire diameter
(2 * 255mm * .4) + (17 * 25.4) = 635.8 mm

Here the goal is 1 mm of total toe in. (This is 0.5 mm on the driver rear tire and 0.5 mm on the passenger rear tire.)

We want to calculate the angle each side wheel + tire must deviate from a line parallel to the centerline of the car.
arcsin(0.5 mm / 635.8 mm) = .045 deg
.045 deg per side * 2 sides = .09 deg total toe in

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Real world results of these alignment specs:

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Originally Posted by ovey1 View Post
i got the lance alignment and it is really good on the tires not to mention very good grip i was suprised when i jack the car up that the tread was even on front and back .
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cool, i got the lance alignment done today and i couldnt be happier with it, it is like driving a totaly different car, i couldnt believe it
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It took Sears Oviedo 6 solid hours Saturday to perform a hand alignment to Lances spec, mostly because of the driver side rar was being difficult. The tech didn't stop until he got it perfect. For reference, Sears Oviedo also aligns all of Enuku's race cars, so they are used to custom hand alignments. After drving on a fresh [Lance spec] alignment for a week, I can tell you that it's THE best street alignment for the Supra. The car basically drives itself.

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It took a tad more than 6 hrs when we did mine to a somewhat modified Lance alignment ...definitely very time consuming and the guy doing it for me had done his own and other Supras before. We rolled right into a corner weighting so basically we were tweaking my suspension for about 10 hours. But when I hit Watkins Glen a couple days later I was just blown away how good it felt.

I wonder if this thread takes the record for e.t. coming back from the dead
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Parham -- the stock alignment has lots of negative camber and a nasty toe spec to ensure that the car understeers. It eats tires.

That's why Lance created his alignment spec.
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